David Miscavige - COB RTC - has not even studied the Org Exec Course OEC while "reorganizing the church"

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I was very astonished and appalled to learn, that even up to 1990 Miscavige had not studied the OEC.

The man who took the power position in Scientology is breaking the second triangle of Scientology:

The KRC-triangle: Knowledge, Responsibility and Control.

He wants to control without the needed knowledge. That is a very destructive approach.

Every exec post in an org is given to the Staffs who had experiences under this post and who studied the OEC and FEBC.

But David Miscavige does not need neither the experience on a higher administrative post nor the training on the OEC and FEBC to take control over Scientology since the 1980ies.

How do I know, that he had not studied the OEC? From himself. Did he admit this happily? No! He made one hour Q&A on the simple question, whether he studied the total OEC or not.

I give him a pass on the title "Master of Q&A", although he finally had to admit, that he had not studied the OEC volumes in a course room or on a checksheet.

The following is an excerpt of this document Deposition of David Miscavige, the Witness, July 19, 1990 - Part 1 where D.M. as a witness had to answer questions in a court. The excerpt is about his Q&A on his non-existent OEC-Study. The rest of the document is also worthwhile to read, as it reveals, that he had not done any qualified job or any admin or technical training in Scientology prior to his take over of the power over Scientology.

That is why I doubt, that he is the person, who really took the power. I think he is just a showpiece for the real take-over-team: he is at best the president of the persons behind the curtain. Someone who can talk and who can give orders, but he is not the head behind it all. The persons behind you can find among the lawyers of CST and the US-government.


Here now the court document. Miscavige is the witness, the one who answers (A.). Q designates the Questioneer, the others are the lawyers of D.M. or the court.



Q. AT THE TIME YOU WERE RUNNING MISSIONS, SUCH AS YOU'VE DESCRIBED, PRIOR TO THAT TIME, HAD YOU TAKEN OEC COURSES, ORGANIZATION EXECUTIVE COURSES, OR DONE ANY TRAINING ON THE OEC?

A. YES.

MR. HELLER: OBJECT ON RELEVANCE.

BY MS. PLEVIN:

Q. HAVE YOU DONE THE WHOLE SERIES?

A. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN BY HAVE I DONE THE WHOLE SERIES.

MR. HERTZBERG: FIRST SHE'S ASKING YOU, AT THE TIME, HAVE YOU DONE THE WHOLE SERIES. IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION, MAYBE SHE CAN CLARIFY.

BY MS. PLEVIN:

Q. YOU INDICATED YOU HAD STUDIED -- DONE SOME OF THE OEC STUFF? HAD YOU COMPLETED THE OEC COURSE MATERIALS --

MR. HERTZBERG: LET'S NOT TALK ABOUT "OEC STUFF." LET'S NOT USE THAT. IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COURSES, LET'S TALK ABOUT COURSES.

MS. PLEVIN: FINE

(RECESS TAKEN.)

MS. PLEVIN: WE'RE BACK ON THE RECORD. WAS THERE A QUESTION PENDING?

(RECORD READ.)

BY MS. PLEVIN:

Q. DID YOU EVER STUDY ALL THE ORGANIZATION EXECUTIVE COURSES, MR. MISCAVIGE?

A. WELL, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? LET ME ASK YOU THAT.

Q. WELL, THERE'S A SET OF GREEN VOLUMES --

A. MM-HMM.

Q. -- GENERALLY REFERRED TO AS THE OEC VOLUMES.

A. HMM.

Q. THERE ARE STUDIES THAT GO ALONG WITH STUDYING THE ORGANIZATIONAL MANAGEMENT FUNCTION WITH THOSE VOLUMES; IS THAT A CORRECT STATEMENT?

A. NO, IT'S VERY INACCURATE.

Q. OKAY. WHY DON'T YOU DESCRIBE TO ME HOW A PERSON GOES AROUND STUDYING THE OEC MATERIALS?

A. GOES AROUND --

Q. GOES ABOUT STUDYING THE OEC MATERIALS. IS IT A CHECK SHEET FORMAT?

A. HOW A PERSON GOES AROUND STUDYING THE OEC MATERIALS.

Q. IS IT A COURSE FORMAT, A CHECK SHEET FORMAT?

A. THE OEC VOLUMES?

Q. THE OEC VOLUMES.

A. NO, THEY'RE IN VOLUMES; THEY'RE IN BOOKS.

Q. SO IT'S SELF STUDY?

A. I DON'T -- NO. I'M REALLY NOT TRACKING WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING HERE, I'M SORRY.

Q. WHEN YOU STUDY THE OEC VOLUMES, IT'S A COURSE THAT YOU TAKE, ISN'T IT?

A. THERE IS A COURSE, BUT YOU SAY WHEN YOU STUDY THE OEC VOLUMES, IT'S A COURSE THAT YOU TAKE, AND I'M TELLING YOU IT'S ENTIRELY INACCURATE.

Q. OKAY. OKAY. THE OEC COURSE IS ENTIRELY SEPARATE FROM THE OEC VOLUMES?

A. YES. MAYBE. THAT'S 50-50. NO, I MEAN -- NO, IT'S NOT AN ACCURATE STATEMENT.

Q. THERE'S SOME INTERPLAY ON THE OEC COURSE, GREEN VOLUMES?

A. POSSIBLY.

Q. ARE THERE SEVERAL DIFFERENT COURSES OFFERED FOR STUDYING THE OEC MATERIALS OR THE OEC COURSE -- IS IT A SINGLE COURSE? LET'S START THERE. IS IT A SINGLE COURSE, SEVERAL COURSES? YOU HAD IT ONCE AND THAT'S IT?

MR. DRESCHER: WHICH QUESTION --

MR. HERTZBERG: WHICH QUESTION DO YOU WANT HIM TO ANSWER?

BY MS. PLEVIN:

Q. I'M TRYING TO HELP HIM FORMULATE HOW BEST TO RESPOND.

MR. HERTZBERG: WE HAVE TO FORMULATE THE BEST QUESTION FIRST BEFORE HE CAN RESPOND. WHAT QUESTION ARE YOU ASKING? YOU ASKED THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT QUESTIONS THERE IN SEQUENCE. WHICH QUESTION DO YOU WANT HIM TO RESPOND TO?

MS. PLEVIN: I'M TRYING TO GET HIM TO RESPOND TO A SIMPLE QUESTION, IF HE STUDIED THE OEC COURSE.

Q. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT QUESTION, MR. MISCAVIGE? DID YOU STUDY THE OEC COURSE? DID YOU TAKE THAT COURSE, AND IF THERE'S MORE THAN ONE COURSE, LET'S CLARIFY THAT.

MR. HERTZBERG: HE TESTIFIED TO THAT ALREADY.

THE WITNESS: OKAY. LET ME --

MR. HERTZBERG: THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS "THE OEC COURSE."

THE WITNESS: THAT'S CORRECT -- YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT "OEC" MEANS. OEC MEANS ORG EXEC COURSE. SO YOU'RE ASKING ME IF I TOOK THE ORG EXEC COURSE, COURSE. OF COURSE, I DIDN'T BECAUSE THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS THE ORG EXEC COURSE, COURSE.

BY MS. PLEVIN:

Q. BUT THERE'S AN ORG EXECUTIVE COURSE?

A. YES.

Q. DID YOU TAKE THAT COURSE?

A. WHICH ONE? THAT'S WHERE THE CONFUSION IS ENTERING HERE.

Q. ALL RIGHT. HOW MANY ARE THERE?

A. WHEN, NOW?

Q. HOW MANY ORG EXECUTIVE COURSES ARE THERE NOW IS FINE.

A. ARE THERE NOW?

MR. HERTZBERG: NOW, TODAY?

MS. PLEVIN: NOW, TODAY.

MR. HERTZBERG: I'M GOING TO LET HIM ANSWER. I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT'S RELEVANT TO ANYTHING IN THE COMPLAINT, BUT YOU MAY ANSWER.

THE WITNESS: I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN BY THAT. I REALLY DON'T. YOU'RE CONFUSING A SET OF VOLUMES WITH A COURSE. WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU ASKING ME?

MS. PLEVIN: I THINK THE QUESTION STANDS FOR ITSELF.

MR. HELLER: WELL, IF YOUR RESPONSE IS YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND, THAT'S YOUR RESPONSE. DON'T ANSWER A QUESTION YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND.

BY MS. PLEVIN:

Q. WHAT IS IT YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTAND?

A. YOU ASKED ME HOW MANY ORG EXECUTIVE COURSES ARE THERE.

Q. NO. I SAID HOW MANY --

A. I DON'T GET IT. HOW MANY ORG EXECUTIVE COURSES.THERE HAVE BEEN NUMEROUS. THAT'S MY ANSWER.

Q. HOW MANY HAVE YOU TAKEN SINCE -- EVER?

MR. HERTZBERG: WAIT. YOU MEAN IN THE ENTIRE TIME THAT MR. MISCAVIGE HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY?

MS. PLEVIN: WELL, IF THERE ARE TOO MANY TO MENTION, I'M SURE HE'LL TELL ME THAT.

MR. HERTZBERG: FIRST OF ALL, I'M BEGINNING TO PERCEIVE A LITTLE SARCASM. LET'S KEEP THIS ON AN EVEN KEEL, MISS PLEVIN. HE CAN ANSWER. I THINK THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE COMPLAINT, BUT IF YOU CAN APPROXIMATE OR -- IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION, AND YOU CAN APPROXIMATE, TELL --

(CONFERENCE BETWEEN COUNSEL AND WITNESS.)

THE WITNESS: OKAY. I'LL TRY TO EXPLAIN TO YOU WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. THERE ARE A SET OF VOLUMES CALLED THE OEC VOLUMES, MEANING THE ORG EXECUTIVE COURSE VOLUMES. THEY GO 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. THEY WERE PUBLISHED SOMETIME IN THE EARLY 1970'S. THERE IS OR HAS BEEN A COURSE CALLED THE ORG EXECUTIVE COURSE. THAT ORG EXECUTIVE COURSE HAS NOT NECESSARILY BEEN THE SAME COURSE, ALWAYS.

INDIVIDUALLY THERE ARE ORG EXECUTIVE COURSE VOLUMES, AS I SAID, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. FOR EXAMPLE, 0 NOW, TODAY, IS NOT THE SAME AS 0 FIVE YEARS AGO. BY MS. PLEVIN:

Q. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE VOLUME?

A. PRECISELY.

Q. ALL RIGHT.

A. FURTHERMORE YOU ASKED -- THE ORG EXECUTIVE COURSE IS NOT, AND HAS NOT, ALWAYS BEEN JUST THE VOLUMES, OR PARTICULARLY WHAT'S IN THE VOLUMES, SO YOU ASKED ME -- I DON'T KNOW. HAS THAT CLARIFIED IT FOR YOU? DO YOU SEE WHAT MY CONFUSION IS, WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ME?

Q. MM-HMM.

A. THEIR MATERIALS -- I DON'T KNOW HOW -- WELL, YOU COULDN'T, BUT A SCIENTOLOGIST COULD BUY A SET OF OEC VOLUMES. YOU ASKED ME HOW WOULD HE STUDY THESE? I DON'T KNOW. Q. HAVE YOU STUDIED THE OEC VOLUMES?

A. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? REALLY, I'M SERIOUS. CLARIFY FOR ME --

Q. DO YOU CONSIDER YOURSELF TO BE FAMILIAR WITH THE POLICIES THAT ARE IN THE OEC VOLUMES?

A. EVERY SINGLE --

MR. HERTZBERG: I WAS GOING TO ASK --

BY MS. PLEVIN:

Q. GENERALLY, NOT EVERY SINGLE ONE.

A. YES.

Q. OKAY. AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'VE CLARIFIED THAT THE COURSE HAS NOT ALWAYS BEEN THE SAME. I TAKE IT THAT PERHAPS THE COURSE GETS REVISED FROM TIME TO TIME.

A. NOT AS A MATTER OF COURSE, NOT AS A MATTER OF ABSOLUTE NECESSITY EVERY SIX MONTHS, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ME, BUT IT HAS, YES. IF YOU WERE TO PICK UP A SET OF OEC VOLUMES TODAY, THEY ARE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME VOLUMES THAT WERE PUBLISHED IN THE EARLY 1970'S, SO I WOULDN'T CALL THEM COMPLETELY ACCURATE OR COMPLETE.

Q. OKAY.

A. THERE YOU GO.

Q. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE COURSE NOW, THE COURSE HAS BEEN REVISED? A. YES.

Q. OKAY. AND THE COURSE --

A. I WOULDN'T SAY REVISED. I'D SAY UPDATED OR CHANGED. ALL RIGHT. IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS, YES, EVEN HOW YOU GO ABOUT STUDYING IT. Q. OKAY.

A. ALL RIGHT.

Q. WHEN DID YOU FIRST TAKE THE ORGANIZATION EXECUTIVE COURSE? WHENEVER --

A. AS THE ORGANIZATION EXECUTIVE COURSE?

Q. YES.

A. I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION. YOU ASKED --

Q. YOU DON'T REMEMBER?

A. YOU'RE ASKING ME WHEN WAS THE FIRST TIME I EVER READ A POLICY?

Q. NO. WHEN WERE YOU FIRST ON COURSE FOR --

A. EVER?

Q. FOR THE ORG EXECUTIVE COURSE.

A. FOR THE ORG --

MR. DRESCHER: IF THE ANSWER IS NOT ANSWERABLE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TRY TO INTERPRET IT.

THE WITNESS: LET ME EXPLAIN THIS TO YOU. FOR INSTANCE, I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION.I THINK YOU'RE ASKING ME AS IF THERE WAS A DATE WHEN I SAT DOWN AND NOW ON THE OEC COURSE? MS. PLEVIN: MM-HMM.

THE WITNESS: THE FIRST TIME EVER, I COULDN'T GIVE YOU A DATE ON THAT.

MS. PLEVIN: FINE.

Q. BUT YOU'VE TAKEN THE OEC? YOU HAVE TAKEN A COURSE ENTITLED THE ORG EXECUTIVE COURSE?

A. NO. TAKEN? NO, I DON'T -- I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS, TAKEN -- NO.

Q. REGISTERED FOR THE ORG EXECUTIVE COURSE, BEEN CERTIFIED AS HAVING TAKEN THE ORG EXECUTIVE COURSE?

MR. HERTZBERG: THOSE ARE TWO SEPARATE QUESTIONS, UNLESS THAT'S WHAT YOU MEAN BY "TAKEN."

THE WITNESS: LET ME EXPLAIN THIS TO YOU --

MS. PLEVIN: LET ME ASK THE QUESTION.

THE WITNESS: GOOD, FINE. GO AHEAD.

BY MS. PLEVIN:

Q. HAVE YOU BEEN CERTIFIED AS HAVING TAKEN THE ORG EXECUTIVE COURSE?

A. I DON'T THINK SO.

Q. HAVE YOU GRADUATED FROM THE ORG EXECUTIVE COURSE?

A. NO.

Q. BUT YOU'VE DONE THE ORG EXECUTIVE COURSE?

MR. HERTZBERG: I DON'T KNOW WHAT "DONE" MEANS.

MS. PLEVIN: WE'LL GO ON AND COME BACK TO IT. FOR SOME REASON THIS IS -- WELL, MAYBE THERE'S ANOTHER WAY OF GETTING AT IT.

Q. HAVE YOU BEEN CHECKED OUT OR STAR-RATED ON THE ORG EXECUTIVE COURSE?

A. NO STAR-RATED.